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GK: Both say your names.

 

JC: Jack.

 

GK: and this will be yours Frank.

 

FH: Uh Frank.

 

GK: Okay and I’ll hold this one, cause I want to.

 

FH: Sure, go ahead.

 

GK: Um do these charts mean anything to you? Do you have any work or any of your life that involves specific places or the ocean that you’d want to point out? We’re doing some of that work with people.

 

JC: Yeah.

 

GK: You do?

 

FH: Yeah.

 

JC: Yeah I did the Chesapeake Bay and uh these numbers like fifty-one, uh they become two point five and your sailboat kedge you have to kedge it off of sand bars all over the bay, it’s very interesting. Um and if you’re in the shipping channel going uh up to Annapolis and your sailboat only does like eight knots, ten knots, you don’t want to be in the shipping channel.

 

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JC: So a rock hard place actually sandbar hard place, but I lived near Tangier I had a British sailboat that had twin keels so when the tide went out it didn’t fall over, it rested.

 

GK: mmm

 

JC: So that was an interesting part of my life.

 

FH: See now if you have a map that would cover Popham state park.

 

GK: Yeah we do, let’s help him. Teagan can you help him find that one?

 

FH: Better, like home.

 

JC: Oh we have dead time.

Fill it in Frank

 

GK: That we need your..

 

FH: [Singing] The little old ladies of the island sitting and knitting and smiling and they while away the entire day while the men are out earning their pay.

 

GK: What what island..

 

FH: That’s my sea chanting.

 

GK: Which island did you make that up about?

 

FH: Oh that’s a generic tune. It covers most islands, probably Monhegan , but this is um..

 

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GK: Would you like a pen? You can mark it up.

 

FH: No, that’s okay.

 

GK: Please, we want you to. We we we ask it of you.

 

FH: Okay what I’m going to do here is look for Popham Beach which should be down here at the end of Cape Small and right over here is a trail which goes from Morris Mountain from the beach over to the main road and I was on my way coming back from the beach, where I had a delightful day, and I went over the mountain, I was climbing back down the other side of the mountain and my left leg started to slip on some pebbles a steep section of the road and so I tried to catch myself and my right leg and started to slip on those pebbles so I was sort of looking like one of those [half tube borders] and I was going down the hill on both things of pebbles and then my right leg caught a dry spot and I got flipped over and I landed on my right leg and it broke in two places.

 

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FH: So I was laying out there in the middle of the road on a beautiful sunny day and there was no one else there and twenty five minutes later two guys showed up and I gave them my phone and they went out to the end of the road because there was no cell phone coverage there and they called the emergency services and that began an odyssey that is just barely beginning to end. Over a year and a half of a broken leg getting fixed from a nice walk at the beach.

 

GK: Oh no.

 

JC: This is our celebration road trip.

 

GK: Did you, did you just sort of recover?

 

FH: No, well I’d show you, it’s a great scar.

 

JC: Yeah, point the mic at it.

 

GK: Yeah wow.

 

GK: Wow!

 

JC: Isn’t that a beautiful leg.

 

FH: From here down to there.

 

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GK: Jeez.

 

FH: Oh it’s a great, it’s a great story. Especially if people go out and they expect to have this idyllic day at the wilderness beach, Popham beach you know nude sunbathing and everything like that and if you break something that’s really what it’s like with the Appalachian trail you don’t want to have a problem because you may not be able to get anyone on the cell phone and if you do it may be a pick up truck with two guys in there that you know and you don’t want to ride in their pickup truck.

 

GK: How did, who found you?

 

FH: Actually it was two guys they had rented um they had rented a small house back there they were Bowdoin students and they were coming back, they were actually going to the dump and so I was laying there in the middle of the road, just laying there, my leg is just like flopping and so they came they took my phone, they called got the um emergency service. Those guys came with pick-up trucks and everything else, threw me in the back. Went from there to mid coast hospital, talked to John  van Orden. John van Orden who’s an orthopedic surgeon that’s worked on me and so John said “I can’t do this, this is too complicated.”

 

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FH: So he went to talk to Barr, Stephen Barr who’s the surgeon who put the um um Stephen the writer, what’s the guy’s name again?

 

GK: Hello?

 

JC: I can do a..

 

FH: Stephen King, put Stephen King back together after the pick-up truck ran over him. Twenty-two separate operations. So doctor Barr went and put my leg back together, he pinned it, immobilized it, and I spent four weeks in bed unable to move while the while the bone was setting. Then he took out the external skeleton, put in a plate, ten-inch long titanium plate with screws. Looked like a bad day at a hardware store and then that was in there for a couple months and then that was taken out then everything finally, three operations later then everything finally started to heal.

 

GK: Wow. And so you are now at, the the two of you are at the forum and this is a celebration of sorts?

 

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FH: Kind of yeah! This is the longest time I’ve spent standing on my legs since since the break.

 

JC: I’ve really..

 

FH: My knees are pretty stiff still from having the healed legs healed relatively well,  everything’s stiff and I have to keep working it, it’s long as I spend standing up.

 

JC: I’m a hospice volunteer so I uh when I heard Frank in distress..

 

FH: Oh my bedpan needs emptying, I forgot to tell you.

 

JC: Yeah, I went over and uh just I took I took measurements right away, Bracketts funeral home so in case things would progress further than Frank had uh anticipated, but he looks much better. He looked like, you look like shit Frank about eighteen months ago.

 

FH: You never saw the pictures though did you? Me wrapped up in a cocoon, my little head sticking out all wrapped up in this white.

 

JC:  He was precious.

 

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FH: They immobilized the leg by putting this inflatable cuff onto made out of heavy duty foam rubber so you can’t really walk and the leg is pretty stiff with the immobilizer, so I had to have that on for an awfully long time um.

 

JC: Um the rehab home he was in..

 

FH: Oh no no.

 

JC: Had a thirteen inch cathode ray TV set.

 

FH: From 1960s.

 

JS: And I went over there’s no remote and uh the Young and the Restless was on. Have you ever seen daytime TV? You don’t want to stick around a hospital uh for any length of time.

 

FH: Black and White, that big.

 

GK: This was for, the place where you were getting rehabilitation for your leg?

 

JS: The horror.

 

FH: Yeah.

 

JS: The horror.

 

FH: See cause I could really, I couldn’t move, so I was immobilized in there and they also had PT they had physical therapy and occupational therapy. What the difference is in the two I couldn’t really tell.

 

GK: I don’t do anything so.

 

GK: So where were you, were you in Maine?

 

FH: Yeah Bodwell House and it’s um .

 

JS: In Brunswick.

 

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FH: In Brunswick yeah, it was right by Martins point a little complex out there. So I was in there and  I all of a sudden became institutionalized and you know you read stories about it.  See cause when I broke my leg I figured, okay they put a cast on, two days later I’ll be running round. Just the opposite direction. So yeah so the Bodwell House um is basically rehab center, for long time ran still does, a Medicaid money. So that meant that you didn’t exactly have the best equipment. For example, one of the things, they had some of the food was pretty good. I wanted salads everyday and they said, “Oh on Wednesday we have a salad”. Wednesday, okay, thanks.

 

GK: Wild.

 

FH: and nurses.

 

JS: Yeah, he was admitted on a Thursday and he had to wait a whole cycle and speaking of institutionalized uh he signed out to me. He’s in my custody right now, so I have to be real careful. Frank how’re you feeling?

 

FH: Feeling pretty good.

 

JC: Okay, do you need more meds?

 

FH: I’ve had enough prednisone.

 

JC: Okay.

 

FH: I decided to pop a prednisone for the day.

 

JC: Okay just.

 

FH: I’m celebrating.

 

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JC: Yeah this is uh yeah. You laugh but he’s..

 

FH: No its true I really do take prednisone

 

JC: Yeah.

 

GK: Yeah.

 

JC: Do not unlock, do not unlock we don’t have film do we? If you could see, he’s in a straight jacket, if you could see this do not…

 

FH: Some people call it, some people call it a back brace you know, they don’t call it a straight jacket. It’s a back brace.

 

JC: Yeah I wish you could see this.

 

FH: and that’s what you get when you lay in bed for six weeks straight. Your body rots of your whatever you’ve got left there and you start getting backaches because you really haven’t, your back muscles atrophy.

 

JC: It’s like Hansen’s, it’s almost like Hansen’s. He lost an ear and uh a nose and we’ve had that uh put re- rehabilitated

 

GK: So what are you guys doing here at the forum? What’s your, why do you come to the forum?

 

JC: Oh oh I wanted to know more about Maine’s Crassostrea virginica, obviously uh.

 

GK: What’s that?

 

JC: That’s the..

 

FH: Do you have to ask? Just let him go.

 

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JC: a young person can go to college, go to school and learn to make himself a millionaire before he’s twenty five years old raising oysters. It is just the guaranteed, aquaculture is just is the the the big deal and I had to stop by UMaine, UMaine’s well represented, and pick up brochures and um Ms. Collins, my wife, is a student advisor for the community college system and I get to feed brochures through her to um the future of our country, you guys. So there was all a sudden there um was actually a plan sort of and then hanging out with Frank, as you can see we do have fun. Two old men hanging out with babes.

 

FH: Woo.

 

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FH: Good stuff.

 

GK: It’s so fun in the air stream from 1976.

 

FH: Oh the air I would buy one of these in a flash if I could find one.

 

JC: With Rilke on the shelf and Henry Beston the Outermost House, they are my favorite books.

 

FH: Hemingway books and stuff like that.

 

JC: Oh my god.

 

FH: It really did. My parents went out to the west coast, lost all their savings and we came back and we lived in a used twenty-eight foot trailer in a trailer park. So quite a come down.

 

GK: Where? You came back here to Maine?

 

FH: No, this was in Pennsylvania.

 

GK: Oh okay.

 

FH: Pennsylvania. So yeah I was talking with Sean Moody and I  was saying well you know we we lived in a trailer for a while and I said no. I know what you’re talking about.

 

JC: Yeah.

 

FH: You know you were at the bottom, the bottom of the social structure when that happens. My parents worked their way up to getting a Spartan, which looks like, it’s not quite as good if if if the Spartan if the Airstream is A+ then the Spartan is B+. So it’s that kind of an all aluminum aerodynamic trailer so I lived you know lived in a trailer for a while, so.

 

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JC: We lived, the my twelve brothers and I lived under the trailer. We didn’t have shoes, it was um..

 

FH: Oh that’s tough, I knew some people that did that too.

 

JC: I know, I know, I know.

 

FH: You learn to burrow.

 

JC: Yeah, yeah.

 

FH: It’s a good thing, that’s a good skill to have.

 

JC: Yeah.

 

FH: You have the moles and things like that, chipmunks.

 

JC: A man is known by the company he keeps.

 

FH: True, but the [lake/] is an interesting thing because health care, weather you are on it, because one of the most hazardous occupations is really oh you know workboats.

 

JC: Or walking on the the side of Morris Mountain.

 

FH: Oh we. Yeah you asked..

 

JC: Fairly hazardous.

 

FH: Oh god damn and you know the worst, this is terrible, the same place cause before, we went out cross-country skiing like like twenty years twenty-five years ago you know, cross country skiing, we’re coming down the side of that stupid thing and I fell in the same spot and I broke my wrist. I didn’t break the wrist that I broke, I did did the navicula, which is a piece of cartilage and once that breaks you’ve got to keep your arm. So I can walk around some days I’ll just be there like that, that’s how they had the arm set.

 

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FH: I just and I’ll go Oh Jeez, I can’t do that anymore. Same spot! I want to go back and see if it’ll hit be again.

 

JC: To know Frank you need to take a a course in anatomy and physiology and then we can really break it down you know, everything..

 

FH: Hey I’ve got nurses to do that stuff..

 

JC: Shattered, shattered..

 

FH: I got my nurses to do that. There and why I came here today was I’ve got an interest in what’s called organic ocean gardening, which means that you can start gardens of your dock and your float and in your unused swimming pool in the winter, by pumping ocean water into it and so you can grow shellfish in bags. So you get scallops, you’ve got oysters if you want, you have mussels. Must be something else, anyway.

 

JC: Possum.

 

FH: Possum ha underwater possums they don’t, they’re not that happy with that ,or frogs, nobody eats those ocean frogs.

 

JC: Frogs no salt water and frogs don’t mix.

 

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FH: I know, that we found out the hard way.

 

JC: Yeah that.

 

FH: Dead frogs.

 

JC: They dissolve.

 

FH: They do.

 

JC: Yeah, amphibians dissolve in salt water.

 

FH: So the questions is, we’re looking at actually being able to um build a structure so somebody could farmstead on the ocean. It’s called the seastead, its being pioneered out in Tahiti right now in a in Polynesia and if I had ten thousand dollars I’d go out to the conferences being held next month, but I don’t have ten thousand dollars.

 

JC: If pigs could fly too Frank.

 

FH: If pigs could..

 

GK: Where would you do it?

 

FH: Probably um, we’re thinking of the bay, Machias off off of the university Maine Machias. I’ve got an affiliation with them. I was arrested there once, but that’s that’s another story altogether.

 

JC: We all have been we’ve all served time.

 

FH: Now if you don’t want us to look in the windows, don’t put the windows on the street level, that’s what I told them, the guy, I says “It’s your fault.” Anyway, but I have an affiliation with a friend of mine who’s on the faculty.

 

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FH: and we held a conference on uh on uh ocean acidification and as it turns out the bay of Machias is a nice little place to do this kind of stuff uh it’s a discreet, impact, thing and if you get in trouble you can get to shore by swimming. There’s a hospital not too far away. But yeah, so it it’s gotten to be very interesting cause doing research now into sources for like spore for algae for kelp and things like that, we’re going to grow kelp and then also the seafood, uh fish coming, shellfish coming out and the fact that people are beginning to farm species of shrimp. So you can have a large cage, like about the size of this room, plunk that in the in the water you can grow shrimp in it. Now I like shrimp.

 

GK: Are you, so and how are you um how is that related to your work now? I mean what do, do you farm or are you in.

 

FH: Shall I tell what the answer is?

 

GK: Yeah what’s your..

 

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FH: No work.

 

GK: No work! You have many interests.

 

FH: I have many interests yes. Well I mean coming off the [lake?] cause I like I was doing small hydro, I just got my first client in two years.

 

JC: Hydroelectric, small hydroelectric plants.

 

GK: Oh!! That’s what you were doing.

 

JC: Yeah.

 

FH: and still am actually.

 

JC: Franks a baker and a..

 

FH: I got a client actually not far from downtown.

 

JC: Look it he’s a renaissance man.

 

GK: It sounds like it.

 

FH: Yeah, it sort of is..

 

GK: All right.

 

FH: Card carrying, but there’s a new card coming out that’s got the ocean gardening thing onto it.

 

GK: Seasteads?

 

FH: and ocean gardening.. hmm?

 

GK: You wrote it on this one, is that a seastead?

 

FH: Did I?

 

GK: Like a homestead, but a seastead huh?

 

JC: Yeah, that’s right.

 

FH: Yes it is it’s a seastead. You could live on there you could get a boyfriend or a girlfriend or a dog and live there and grow things and you might be able to sell some. Fat chance, but anyway you could do that, you could sell things like just live there and grow stuff.

 

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FH:  The problem is the growing season for things like alaria and sea kelp is in the winter, so you’d have to live there in the winter or tell people you live there in the winter and go over there once a week. Get a boat and go over there once a week and do that, but yeah that’s it and it’s pretty, there are entire, the folklore behind seasteads is rather fascinating. In Hawaii they had entire cities that were floating on the water and part of the part of the long distance future planning here is that we’re running out of land to grow crops on so people and also land for people to live. Everyone wants to live by the ocean. So now people can live on the ocean not at the […..] Marina either, but um on on the ocean you know, get moored and you could live out there and so we’ve got a prototype of a domed seastead. Dome would have solar panels for generate electricity and you’d have living quarters and other things around the outside. You’d have a big long pipe for all the sewage that goes out into the water.

 

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FH: That’s that’s what I haven’t figured out yet. I was talking to a guy who was talking about generating um methane gas from it, so we’ll see if that comes by. There’s

 

GK: You should have a little humanure for your flowers. Just get a composting toilet like I’ve got.

 

FH: Yeah.

 

GK: Sterile urine from that, not that this needs to be on the record, but I’m just trying to give you some ideas. Yeah.

 

FH: Well yeah you can, I think you can do that you know and then there are other things you can dispose into it you know. The problem is making it a compact, self contained, self cleaning unit and have one floating in the water for crying out loud and then you could do that, have a little floating toilet, but and you wouldn’t need you wouldn’t need toilet paper you could use uh seaweed we could grow special seaweed for that. It’s slippery but you, who’s going to notice?

 

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GK: That’s a great, so we’ve got to follow up with you so see where the seasteads are, what’s happening with your seasteads.

 

FH: They’re really interesting. There’s a group that’s got a video out, two videos, and unfortunately they really are headquartered out some place in Polynesia and they’ve gotten funding from Bahrain  and one of the Mid-east countries because they’re got the same situation. They’ve run out of land, you know land and so people are beginning to live on the water in these floating communities and they don’t have the storms or anything which is going to disrupt that. So they’re they’re looking at building these communities and I just saw the first design for one so what we want to do is we want to get a design, I’ve got a grant going in, to come up with the prototype for what one might look like and what we’re really looking for right now are dumb gullible students to live in them.

 

JC: and with gills.

 

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FH: With gills, preferably with gills and if you fall of the, you see, if you fall off into the water you don’t break your leg anymore you could drown, but you won’t break your leg.

 

GK: So what.

 

FH: I should remember that..

 

GK: What have you learned today, anything?

 

FH: Yeah, found a guy that builds docks and stuff and floats and he’s interested he wants to see what an  RFP would look like for for building on and designing one, and and give me an idea of what it would cost if they were involved and actually doing the design. I found a new source of shellfish, which I was really surprised they, somebody up the coast in I think Pembroke. He’s got whelks, he’s got things I didn’t know were being distributed. So you can get small quantities little bag of sea scallops uh scallops something like that, great I love scallops. Grow big scallops and that kinda neat, to walk out to the end of your dock, pull up a bag and there’s dinner. So there, they have a source for that, they do three kinds of sea veggies which we call them now, not seaweeds, sea veggies and then I got that was that was a big find today I was really surprised to find that and other than that…

 

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FH: Dumb people will put out kitkat bars. I’m a sucker for a kitkat bar.

 

JC: Yeah, I’ll I’ll talk to in about insurance. More kitkat  __ .

 

GK: Oh yeah the trade show, the kitty cat bars.

 

JC: Right right, they uh, title insurance for your boat uh they entice us to talk to them with a bowl full of kitkat bars. That is so interesting.

 

GK: Yep.

 

FH: It is.

 

GK: So then and Jack what about you you came, what’s your, uh do you have an affiliation with the water, you sail?

 

JC: Well I’ve had a lot of boats.

 

GK: Yep

 

JC: I’ve had a lot of boats and um I lived on a thirty eight, um it’s like in […..] harbor it’s called a Pacemaker

 

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JC: and it was a wooden boat. I lived on it about eight years and I was the carpenter that showed up to fix the boat. It belonged to Nancy. I gave her an estimate kind of like uh…

 

FH: Nancy’s his wife now.

 

JC: Current

 

FH: He had to marry her because she couldn’t pay his bill so…

 

JC: So I..

 

FH: Fair exchange.

 

JC: What happened was I stayed for breakfast..

 

FH: Uh

 

JC: Twenty five years ago and that uh so I have uh a lot of experience on the Chesapeake bay, it’s very interesting, uh I, I’ve grown a lot of oysters and worked with the Chesapeake Bay Foundation and moved to Maine to get away from Virginia which is uh if you went out to the parking lot to open your car door and the thermometer would say, indicate, a hundred and twenty three degrees.

 

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JC: That went on for even two weeks uh in August in July and August. Maine is different, we might get a little snow in early June ahh. So uh..

 

GK: You like that?

 

JC: Oh who doesn’t?

 

FH: Oh yeah.

 

JC: and the seasons.

 

FH: Nothing like going into Washington DC and thinking you’ve outsmarted everybody by getting a cheap flat lot parking space and suddenly realizing your car has been sitting out there at a hundred and twenty degrees and your dashboard has melted. Just chulugh sitting in the bottom of the car, you just step over it, you know that kind of thing.

 

JC: So I went on a trek round the country. I’m a carpenter and the word journeymen means to finish a job and then journey to the next job. So all my life, forty-five, fifty years now I’ve been journeying.

 

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JC: Finish a job uh and then move on uhh sinking routes, born and raised doesn’t count in my value system, so I said “what do I want to do with my retirement?” I manage to, just really, fall off enough buildings that I really had to retire. So I found a a college town in Brunswick and it was Bowdoin and they have life-sciences like in just an insanely good life-science department. Uh there’s two libraries, two hospitals, two farmers markets. uh Brunswick was and it’s a walking town. So I bought a pottery studio in town and uh and I write and Frank is like one of my protag- my heroes.

 

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JC: So we do road trips. He is back on the road again and we’re uh and it’s it’s an interesting time.

 

FH: You know ready for the next crash, sure point it out. Uh three weeks, three months ago someone came and hit us out of nowhere and my..

 

JC: Car, car crash.

 

FH: wife and I in the car. Totaled the car, put me back in the ER again.

 

GK: Oh god!

 

FH: Oh yeah. It was really like we aren’t doing anything. I wasn’t speeding, I didn’t cut anybody off, they just didn’t see the yield sign. Town of Richmond should be sued likewise for the stupid sign.

 

JC: And I found the measurements for Bracketts uh and so we still had that just in case uh the funeral home.

 

FH: Wait a minute, I still have all my durable medical goods. I’ve got two wheelchairs, one portable wheelchair, the  commode. We have, let me see what else, we’ve got other things too. A couple cans,  air torches.

 

JC: Oh he has toilet seat that that’s like raised, you put it on your your conventional toilet so you can like four five inches you know you’re standing.. almost standing up, it’s really.

 

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FH: Oh yeah, yeah.

 

JC: It’s interesting.

 

FH: Yeah weak knees it’s great for doing that. We have all these  large gauze bandages from my leg, I still have a pile of those. We have waterproof, fancy waterproof bandages. You ever have um major medical emergency, don’t call the ER, they don’t know anything. There’s a big cut or something call me.

 

JC: Just call me, I’m I’m a carpenter I can fix anything.

 

FH: yeah well you can’t use your nail gun.

 

JC: Between a farmer and a carpenter you can get anything done.

 

FH: Who do you think did the leg?

 

JC: Yeah.

 

FH: I said I want to see your tools.

 

JC: Yeah, yeah.

 

FH: You know this is like someone got drunk at Rogers Harbor.

 

GK: Did it feel significant that Stephen King had also been treated by the same doctor? Did you feel uh a sort of…

 

FH: Umm.

 

GK: Um his presence in your..

 

FH: Not really, but I know the guy, the thing is the guy is the guy is good he’s a real hot-shot.

 

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FH: I remember once we had, I had to wait about an hour twenty minutes and I was a little peeved about it and then they said well he was treating, he was putting some guys hand back on and that night they had a picture of the guy with his arm hanging off by a tendon and an artery. It got cut off in a boat accident, boating accident, he was he was on a fishing boat and the arm got cut off. Stephen went and put the arm back on, was just kind of ruffled and I thought that’s a pro. Went and put the uh, I’ll wait, I don’t care..

 

JC: I can do that.

 

FH: Take care of the arm, sure, but yeah so he’s he’s one of the genuine you know super orthopedic surgeons in this state and that fact that he treated uh Stephen King..

 

GK: Just means he’s good.

 

FH: Good, yeah.

 

JC: And he tossed in an ear and an nose, he sewed that back on after..

 

FH: Well he’s also an orthopedic surgeon. I don’t know if he had probably if he had probably much experience with doctors, oh boy, have I had…

 

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FH: and it turns that our orthopedic surgeons are kind of like they’re jock docs. So like if you’re saying it yeah it really hurts when I bend my knee he say “ahh don’t worry about that just keep walking on it.” And you go but its it hurts ,“ah so what, it’s supposed to hurt it’s part of your rehab process.” So no matter you wanted to do, he encouraged you and my wife’s going “you don’t want to walk on that if it hurts, you should just take some hydrocodone like everybody else.” I don’t want..

 

JC: I encourage self-medication, it’s worked for me, I’m seventy years old and that’s it’s really been helpful. I learned it uh in college, I majored in social chairman fraternity and that’s a life, that’s a career.

 

GK: Life long career.

 

JC: Frank and I went to school together. He was a little bit older, so..

 

GK: Where did you go?

 

FH: Penn state.

 

JC: Yeah.

 

FH: We met in a shower room at Penn state.

 

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FH: It’s a nice place, good good showers. Great showers.

 

JC:  Joey was our shampooist.

 

FH: Really wonderful place.

 

GK: Alright guys we’re at thirty minutes, I’m going to take your photo. Anything else you want to say on the record before, this is your last chance.

 

JC: Okay the photo will it have our height measurements behind us or anything?

 

GK: Yes.

 

JC: I knew you were going to do that.

 

FH: You will not get out fingerprints either.

 

GK: I’m gonna take your photo and yep fingerprints.

 

FH: For the record.

 

GK: Swab, a little swab.

 

FH: Oooh I’m reading a sequel to Dexter and so getting into the Dexter frame of mind lately.

 

GK: Anything else?

 

FH: but everything we said..

 

JC: thirty minutes..

 

FH: don’t believe any of it..

 

JC: Thirty minutes..

 

GK: Okay, I don’t know if I do. Thank you so much for coming in here.

 

TW: Great

 

JC: You know Bob and Ray lived in Boothbay Harbor. You know who they are?

 

TW: No.

 

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